Ethanol in UAE

Magnus · 24th June 2008, 21:38

Based on our popular car thread... As you may now, large parts of the world are increasingly going to more environmentally friendly cars and fuels, for example ethanol. Is that even available at any stations in the UAE that you know of? They're often called flexifuel or biofuel or something similar.

There are fueling stations for NGV (Natural Gas Vehicles) run by ADNOC, I believe, are there any such stations in Dubai? And what would the choice be for NGVs (I mean what vehicles are available)?

ultrablue662 · 24th June 2008, 22:57

There arent any that I've ever heard of in the UAE.

But please remember that a regular engine cant run ethanol. There are a few engines that, with major reflashing of the ECU, are able to, but they are very few.

E10 (90% gas, 10% ethanol) however can be run in most (like over 90%) of cars today.

I am against it personally because it gives a car an un-natural advantage (in a race)
Also it is basically drinking alcohol. sort of like mixing a triple black in with your gas.
And finally it is a biofuel, usually made of corn (in the US anyways) which means that you are using something that could help feed hungry human beings to run a machine. Very unethical in my opinion.

A side note, Methanol is another variant fuel that gets far less attention than ethanol. Sooner or later, especially if I decide to get a supercharger, I will need to have a methanol/water injection system in my car to make sure things dont go boom.

Ethanol (and methanol) are amazing for the environment, the byprodocts are WATER vapor. instead of carbon dioxide or monoxide. and they are, in a race, going to produce a bigger bang for your buck (gas has an octane count of 89,91,93,95,98... octane) any higher and you need to add lead. which most modern cars dont mix well with.

These biofuels are rated at about 115 octane! The only drawback is you will use MORE of it since the AFR of these fuels are under 10 (when gas is 14.7) Ive heard as low as 7! so you'll be filling up much more.

VERY good topic Magnus!!!!!!!!!

fangpyre · 24th June 2008, 23:22

Just a side note on the corn issue.
If you think the poor people will get any of that corn, then you'd be drinking some of that gas you described above.
Companies and governments would rather destroy crops than let the price drop.
Unfortunately, they will not see any of it.

Magnus · 24th June 2008, 23:32

Well why I ask is that we're considering buying a new car (hence the question about the Jeep in the other thread), but here in Sweden you see plenty of cars that run on ethanol (natural gas is not that popular here), so hence the dilemma. I'd be willing to not get a 4WD in Dubai, and get something that's environmentally friendly instead. We have a V70 now and Volvo has a new V70 that runs on ethanol, for example. But if I can't buy such a car, ethanol, gas or whatever, in Dubai and if I can't fuel it, then that's it, isn't it?

ultrablue662 · 25th June 2008, 00:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by fangpyre

Just a side note on the corn issue.
If you think the poor people will get any of that corn, then you'd be drinking some of that gas you described above.
Companies and governments would rather destroy crops than let the price drop.
Unfortunately, they will not see any of it.

No, Im not naive. Hell, even here the municipalities pay farmers for their tomatoes just to have them rot and be turned into fertilizer.

fangpyre · 25th June 2008, 02:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultrablue662

No, Im not naive. Hell, even here the municipalities pay farmers for their tomatoes just to have them rot and be turned into fertilizer.

I know you aren't.
I know what you are talking about.
I know of the same.

If only I didn't...

gajanan · 25th June 2008, 08:55

Found this : List of natural gas vehicles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , did i overlook this or is nissan not listed ? lol
and this : Adnoc to set up 11 CNG stations in Abu Dhabi emirate | EAD , this article was dated December 30th 2007, but i am assuming calling up ADNOC and getting the info.

FYI ultra, the ford focus is in the NGV list :P

Edit: found this on the Environment Agency website : Environment Agency - Abu Dhabi
"Al Maha Station was the 1st station in Abu Dhabi to supply CNG. " - Where is this ?

Magnus · 25th June 2008, 10:22

So what are the Dubai companies doing? Emarat and company? Any stations for alternative fuel there?

gajanan · 25th June 2008, 10:55

ENOC gives the UAE an environmental boost with new CNG fuel - Middle East News

But i see no mention of locations or date deadline unlike ADNOC. Guess they have their hands full till 2012 with traffic and construction lol.

Magnus · 25th June 2008, 11:24

Thanks for the info gajanan. Looks like Abu Dhabi is ahead of Dubai in this respect.

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24th June 2008, 22:57	#2 (permalink)
ultrablue662 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Abu-Dhabi Posts: 741	There arent any that I've ever heard of in the UAE. But please remember that a regular engine cant run ethanol. There are a few engines that, with major reflashing of the ECU, are able to, but they are very few. E10 (90% gas, 10% ethanol) however can be run in most (like over 90%) of cars today. I am against it personally because it gives a car an un-natural advantage (in a race) Also it is basically drinking alcohol. sort of like mixing a triple black in with your gas. And finally it is a biofuel, usually made of corn (in the US anyways) which means that you are using something that could help feed hungry human beings to run a machine. Very unethical in my opinion. A side note, Methanol is another variant fuel that gets far less attention than ethanol. Sooner or later, especially if I decide to get a supercharger, I will need to have a methanol/water injection system in my car to make sure things dont go boom. Ethanol (and methanol) are amazing for the environment, the byprodocts are WATER vapor. instead of carbon dioxide or monoxide. and they are, in a race, going to produce a bigger bang for your buck (gas has an octane count of 89,91,93,95,98... octane) any higher and you need to add lead. which most modern cars dont mix well with. These biofuels are rated at about 115 octane! The only drawback is you will use MORE of it since the AFR of these fuels are under 10 (when gas is 14.7) Ive heard as low as 7! so you'll be filling up much more. VERY good topic Magnus!!!!!!!!!

24th June 2008, 23:22	#3 (permalink)
fangpyre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,416	Just a side note on the corn issue. If you think the poor people will get any of that corn, then you'd be drinking some of that gas you described above. Companies and governments would rather destroy crops than let the price drop. Unfortunately, they will not see any of it.

24th June 2008, 23:32	#4 (permalink)
Magnus Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,397	Well why I ask is that we're considering buying a new car (hence the question about the Jeep in the other thread), but here in Sweden you see plenty of cars that run on ethanol (natural gas is not that popular here), so hence the dilemma. I'd be willing to not get a 4WD in Dubai, and get something that's environmentally friendly instead. We have a V70 now and Volvo has a new V70 that runs on ethanol, for example. But if I can't buy such a car, ethanol, gas or whatever, in Dubai and if I can't fuel it, then that's it, isn't it?

25th June 2008, 08:55	#7 (permalink)
gajanan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Born in AUH living in DXB Posts: 227	Found this : List of natural gas vehicles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , did i overlook this or is nissan not listed ? lol and this : Adnoc to set up 11 CNG stations in Abu Dhabi emirate \| EAD , this article was dated December 30th 2007, but i am assuming calling up ADNOC and getting the info. FYI ultra, the ford focus is in the NGV list :P Edit: found this on the Environment Agency website : Environment Agency - Abu Dhabi "Al Maha Station was the 1st station in Abu Dhabi to supply CNG. " - Where is this ?

25th June 2008, 10:22	#8 (permalink)
Magnus Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,397	So what are the Dubai companies doing? Emarat and company? Any stations for alternative fuel there?

25th June 2008, 10:55	#9 (permalink)
gajanan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Born in AUH living in DXB Posts: 227	ENOC gives the UAE an environmental boost with new CNG fuel - Middle East News But i see no mention of locations or date deadline unlike ADNOC. Guess they have their hands full till 2012 with traffic and construction lol.

25th June 2008, 11:24	#10 (permalink)
Magnus Administrator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dubai Posts: 8,397	Thanks for the info gajanan. Looks like Abu Dhabi is ahead of Dubai in this respect.